Episode 73: Bathing with God: An Interview with Glenn Ostlund

What if a voice started talking to you while you were all alone, soaking in a nice, warm bath?

What if that voice told you that everything is a fiction — and that fictions are the single most important innovation in the history of humanity?

What if you debated and argued with this voice until suddenly you found yourself overflowing with love, gratitude, and a genuine curiosity about everything in existence?

In this episode, Stephen Carter talks with author Glenn Ostlund about his book “Bathing with God.” (A less salacious book than the title might suggest, but give it a chance!)


  1. Nathaniel says:

    My first thought was how we felt to learn the Russia investigation was a hoax. Two years believing something was true and bam!!! It was fiction. It’s tough not knowing. I can’t wait to read the book.

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